The only reason I am considering the change is that I have converted from the PC to the Mac, and all things being equal would prefer to have a native Mac app. Unfortunately, while Zend has products for OS X, they don’t see to be providing the 5.x product, and only the 6.x product “for Eclipse.”

I have already looked at plain old Eclipse and am put off by the substantial learning curve for things that while “good for the long run” don’t add any immediate value.

While the Zend product seems worthy, it is also the learning curve, and I am tempted to just stay with 5.5.1 running under Fusion. Unless something else comes along that’s what my current decision is.

Also, there is Mac version of UltraEdit in alpha testing which appears to support debugging with Xdebug and Subversion. So as an UltraEdit user, that may also be a viable option eventually.

So staying with 5.5.1 for now.

I totally feel your pain, man. I’ve been working with eclipse for almost 8 years now, and vividly remember getting kicked out of the engineering labs once back in college for bashing the keyboard well past anything acceptable… all due to eclipse. lol. It’s a huge learning curve, and the truth is, the platform takes bits and pieces from your already-awesome development habits and re-molds them. For example, the project files. Eclipse is a plugin system. In fact, the core itself is just a plugin. With that being said, the project files are meant for pure portability, perspective/run settings, and so forth (without having the need for it to be known anywhere else). There’s nothing you can do about it, and unless you just learn to accept it, add some svn:ignore rules, and move on, you’ll always have that itch. This leads me to my second issue/acceptance. Eclipse has the capabilities for anything you’d like to accomplish, but you need to understand how to get there, agree with it’s methods, and just learn to work with it. If there’s ever a problem, just go to preferences and try searching in the top left corner. You’re bound to find the configuration settings for anything. Also, it’s prime to understand the basic concepts of working sets, filters, formatters, buildpaths, etc. and so forth if you plan on using it for employment.

Lastly, you need to come to grips with the fact that your running a java IDE, and it just isnt meant to handle maintaining 6 projects at once, with build all auto selected, all being monitored with svn…. so, it’s best to say that under normal operating environments, maximizing the IDE’s resources is a major plus. if you require such resources, you need to move out of java IDE and into a desktop application. You should look into adding extra memory to the java heap stack ( either through command line xmxargs, or within the ini config file … i think ZSE\Zend….ini ). Just google eclipse startup commands java memory.

Once you get past the minor quirks that seem to tick you off, the IDE itself is one of the best tools I’ve used in my career as both a java and a php developer.

Hope this helps a little, as it really wasnt geared for ZSE specifically.

Thank you refresh the project.

THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH.

THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH.

It’s been doing my head in. Why not say “Please refresh project file list” or something like that?

Thanks though )